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[LeSigh]

spacewolf, on 10 January 2021 - 09:11 AM, said:

Siggy what you doin in flex?

 

Also bots are bad.

 

5 battles then I'll be home.

[MagicalFlyingFox]

Ezz, on 09 January 2021 - 11:57 AM, said:

Not necessarily tin foil. One of the bots i copped was an XO of a formerly reputable clan. Got themselves a 274 too. But i guess wg are ok with that.

Caught a pair rigging a lis last time around.

 

They ended up with the lis.

 

Same people I also caught previously rigging the 279e. In fact, Saabs even uploaded a video of the replay with them.

 

And the account is still active too!

Edited by MagicalFlyingFox, 10 January 2021 - 02:08 PM.

[StinkyMoko]

MagicalFlyingFox, on 10 January 2021 - 06:08 AM, said:

Caught a pair rigging a lis last time around.

 

They ended up with the lis.

 

Same people I also caught previously rigging the 279e. In fact, Saabs even uploaded a video of the replay with them.

 

And the account is still active too!

 

So moderators knew of their cheating and they were unpunished? Or they were lightly punished and allowed to carry on with a tarnished account? 

 

Oh, we probably can't discuss actual punishments handed out etc. 

 

It seems so many people know of blatant cheaters and even follow their account history / progress and are completely aware of cheating accounts. If it is so easy to be aware of cheaters and follow their accounts for further proof of cheating then why is it too hard for moderators to punish or ban them?

 

Is it actually a case of the flood of bots and cheaters being far too big for the mods on this server to deal with? I'm not saying they are not capable or willing, I'm just asking if the sheer numbers of dodgy accounts is too big to deal with?

[GuwapoDuke49th]

NZ_Reaper_666, on 09 January 2021 - 03:21 PM, said:

This goes to show that reporting and doing tickets with videos of m44s botting is a waste of my time. 

 

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Off topic post removed

 

>Centurion_MK64

Edited by Centurion_MK64, 05 February 2021 - 11:43 AM.

[MagicalFlyingFox]

StinkyMoko, on 10 January 2021 - 07:03 PM, said:

 

So moderators knew of their cheating and they were unpunished? Or they were lightly punished and allowed to carry on with a tarnished account? 

 

Oh, we probably can't discuss actual punishments handed out etc. 

 

It seems so many people know of blatant cheaters and even follow their account history / progress and are completely aware of cheating accounts. If it is so easy to be aware of cheaters and follow their accounts for further proof of cheating then why is it too hard for moderators to punish or ban them?

 

Is it actually a case of the flood of bots and cheaters being far too big for the mods on this server to deal with? I'm not saying they are not capable or willing, I'm just asking if the sheer numbers of dodgy accounts is too big to deal with?

Mods cant force game admins to do anything. They can help accelerate reports but that is it.

[StinkyMoko]

MagicalFlyingFox, on 11 January 2021 - 04:01 PM, said:

Mods cant force game admins to do anything. They can help accelerate reports but that is it.

 

Good point.

[AALG]

 

StinkyMoko, on 10 January 2021 - 10:03 AM, said:

 

So moderators knew of their cheating and they were unpunished? Or they were lightly punished and allowed to carry on with a tarnished account? 

 

 

Moderators handle forums, discord and ingame chat violations. All other reported violations, such as botting, usage of prohibited modifications, etc, etc, are handled and processed by WG employees.

 

Moderators are not WG employees, they are volunteers, who have been tasked with helping to insure chat-, forum- and discord-usage are in compliance with WG's  EULA, Game rules and Code of Conduct which users of WG's services accept to follow when they sign up.

 

With that said, Moderators can help filing botting reports, but they are not involved in processing them. That is purely WG staff's area of responsibility.

 

 

 

Edited by AALG, 12 January 2021 - 03:55 PM.

[Ezz]

I'm curious, have wg staff indicated to the mods what criteria they need to ban someone for botting?

[StinkyMoko]

AALG, on 12 January 2021 - 07:54 AM, said:

 

Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. 

 

I was really referring to moderators and admin collectively when asking those questions though, admittedly I worded it poorly and it probably seemed like I was having the bog-standard whinge at "mods".

 

It would be really good to get a clear idea of what is actually being actioned and achieved when it comes to fixing fairly serious issues in the game that it seems many players are actively trying to help W.G. to fix.

[AALG]

Ezz, on 12 January 2021 - 10:01 AM, said:

I'm curious, have wg staff indicated to the mods what criteria they need to ban someone for botting?

 

No, as that is not part of the moderators tasks to handle.

With that said though, I spoke with Overlord (EU CM during closed and open beta untill the Paris office opened, and Dev team member) in Minsk, when the automated system were being developed and implemented back in about 2012-13, while I was still moderating on EU and NA. As far as I recall, the procedure back then, was the automated system would flag suspicious accounts, based on several parameters such as their movement patterns on various maps, hit ratio, battle frequency, type of ammo shot etc, etc, etc. These flagged accounts would then be manually tracked and investigated for a duration of time, before getting sanctioned or not sanctioned. He made a post expaining the system in brief on the EU forums back then after our talk, but whether that post has been archived somewhere I don't know.

 

I reckon the current system is refined from back then to also take into account number of ingame inaction/bot reports, as well as other parameters data-mined to indicate bots, since the initial version of the automated system.

I am pretty sure that actual sanctioning of accounts is still manually processed, in order to ensure that sanctions for botting is not done to accounts that belong to just bad players, but actual accounts that bot instead of participate in the battle.

 

Edited by AALG, 14 January 2021 - 09:13 AM.

[Ezz]

I guess I was specifically curious about what they look for in replays, but thanks for the info.

 

Noting that most of the curiosity stems from seeing the increasing number of arty bots go unpunished.

[Puggsley]

I think the bots simply are in communication with the anti-bot software and have come to an arrangement.

 

And your reports have simply not gotten through the support bot, that's all.

 

Surely you don't think Skynet would censure itself?

[Ezz]

Nice work on a second ban wave. Let's hope you guys keep up the increased frequency. However the announcement doesn't list the slightly redacted names. Hopefully that will be coming shortly. It would be nice to get some indication of whether wg is actually looking at the replays.

[Profanisaurus]

I get the impression that is just the Campaign related ones rather than the ones we have reported.

[Ezz]

I suspected that as well. Would still help to have a list tho. A cheating [edited] is a cheating [edited] after all.

Edited by Ezz, 28 January 2021 - 10:19 AM.

[FramFramson]

We're still waiting on the CW ban wave aren't we? I mean I can't bid or pick my (extremely minimal) rewards yet and I assume (hope!) that's not just me, and the delay for opening up rewards has typically been waiting for the post-CW banwave, right?

[Profanisaurus]

29th Fram.

[FramFramson]

Well, it's good to know there's a set date (and wouldn't it have been nice for the client to actually say that as opposed to being pointlessly vague?), but...  does this mean we're still waiting on a CW-specific banwave or not?

[LeSigh]

According to Discord they Alley of Fame is not yet finalised but plan is tomorrow.

[TheBudgiesmuggler]

Is it a giveaway when they use the same name but a different number on the like last night two players same name one had 42 and the other 43 at end of each name one was LT the other SPG, it was funny the SPG initially didn't move and then when I suspect the LT got into a spotting position the SPG came to life....