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[n00b__]

First of all if you only other tier 8 is an SPG and you HT (or any non SPG) dies you have to to wait 7 minutes to spawn in your SPG!

Why? SPG aren't broken so why does it matter it there are a few more in the battle? I could understand if the rule applied to fast premium mediums though!

oops I forgot second - you cant make any credits even when every shot hits/splashes. If FL isn't about making credits what's it for?

The only way I can make credits the way the game is now, is disable all tanks (remove crews) except my patriot, but then I have to wait 7minutes to respawn!

Edited by n00b__, 21 November 2021 - 12:21 PM.

[Aoyama_Blue_Mountain]

It is to give other people a chance to spawn in SPG.

[Ezz]

Hasn't the limit on clickers in FL been there for a long while now?

[The_Big_M]

Yep, arty limited, clown cars not, go figure.

 

It's frontline, why is there even a limit.

Edited by The_Big_M, 21 November 2021 - 09:39 AM.

[Ezz]

Pre limit and early on when arty were a shortcut to general it could get pretty silly.

[The_Big_M]

With tier 9s now and the arty nerf since I can't see any reason, especially with the way things go in FL now.

[Aoyama_Blue_Mountain]

Playing arty is like staying unvaxxed - The majority wants you discriminated

[The_Big_M]

Or it could be just a vocal minority that make a lot of noise, like anti-vaxxers.

[dirty_clicker]

The_Big_M, on 21 November 2021 - 10:15 AM, said:

Or it could be just a vocal minority that make a lot of noise, like anti-vaxxers.

or vice versa, where people who hate arty voice their opinion loudly and repeatedly in an echo-chamber called the forums.

[Napalmer]

[Ezz]

So the commonly held view across large swathes of the player base is the echo chamber? Sounds legit.

[dirty_clicker]

Ezz, on 22 November 2021 - 02:08 PM, said:

So the commonly held view across large swathes of the player base is the echo chamber? Sounds legit.

 

That sounds exactly like what someone in an echo chamber would say.

[Ezz]

dirty_clicker, on 23 November 2021 - 01:53 PM, said:

 

That sounds exactly like what someone in an echo chamber would say.

That sounds exactly like what someone trying to defend their pitiful existence as a reviled fringe dweller would say.

Edited by Ezz, 23 November 2021 - 12:01 PM.

[The_Big_M]

Arty is a long established and equal part of the ecosystem so nothing fringe about it, except some trying to justify remaking the game to their own preferences.

[Ezz]

The_Big_M, on 23 November 2021 - 05:27 PM, said:

Arty is a long established and equal part of the ecosystem so nothing fringe about it, except some trying to justify remaking the game to their own preferences.

Was more curious about his use of echo chamber to be honest. It appears the majority of people are in the echo chamber and only a few are outside it. Anti vax / lupi esque indeed.

 

And if not fringe, then why are there so few? Rarely these days do we even see the 3 per battle limit thanks to the widely appreciated nerfs. The ecosystem w.r.t. arty has never been healthier.

Edited by Ezz, 23 November 2021 - 03:51 PM.

[The_Big_M]

Yeah, the recent changes do nothing for inclusiveness, penalising one part of the game mechanics, while ignoring other more problematic parts. In that respect you could probably say they have created a new fringe.

[Ezz]

The gameplay always was at the fringes, even if they were somewhat more numerous than currently. Primarily because that gameplay is for the most part insulated from the majority of gameplay mechanics.

[The_Big_M]

That's a bit of a stretch. The only real difference is a characteristic ability to fire higher. Other vehicles also have their own characteristics such as better vision, and moving without a hit to camo, or especially strong armour, or especially strong alpha, amongst other features.

[Ezz]

Except vision is far less critical, the armor mechanic is far less critical, even knowing where to go on a map is far less critical. It's one of the reasons arty bots are harder to differentiate from humans than other bots. And makes it ideal for those with limited ability in other tanks because being bad has considerably less impact.

[The_Big_M]

That isn't true. A good scout has more influence on the game than a good arty does. This is evident because the scouting effect is continual, whereas the arty effect is sporadic. Moreover, mutlple angles can be covered by a scout whereas arty will only hit in one place.

 

While it's less true that the armour mechanic is stronger - broken heavies aside like 279e, - they still have greater ability to influence due to dishing out more dpm at the same time as being hull down, so it can't be said it is less critical either.

 

The conclusion about bots is a separate issue. Bots don't do more than regular players can. The reason arty bots go for arty is arty has fewer places it can safely go on the map. It's a a backline vehicle by design, which means it has less risk from bad coding. And your coding choices are limited so easier to do... and bots are all about doing things cheaply for the return. More complicated choices means more costs, which means your returns are less, making them less economical and so less viable.

 

As for having limited ability, not sure how that's relevant. People with limited ability play every class of tank. And I doubt your conclusion is supported. I'm not aware there's been any evidence that shows people "with less ability" 'play arty more.' And even if there was, not sure what it would achieve. Do you think removing a class of tanks entirely would cause those with less ability to disappear? (And is there any justification for that, or is anything WG would be trying to achieve?) No, they would just go on to whichever class suits them more... probably the blue clickers.