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EliteVanquisher #1 Posted 16 March 2023 - 02:24 PM

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Has anyone noticed that the game is having a huge problem with Bot users.

I would like to say that this is not a new player or a stupid player.
They only have a few playstyles, usually they run straight to the enemy to kill themselves, some just hide in the bushes and only move in the base throughout the game.
almost half of the team is always like that
Maybe it's time for WG to organize more Bot user scans like previous times.

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Fluctuations #2 Posted 16 March 2023 - 02:48 PM

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It is an extreme problem on this server.

__Fury_o7o7o7 #3 Posted 17 March 2023 - 02:50 PM

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View PostEliteVanquisher, on 16 March 2023 - 04:24 PM, said:

Has anyone noticed that the game is having a huge problem with Bot users.

I would like to say that this is not a new player or a stupid player.
They only have a few playstyles, usually they run straight to the enemy to kill themselves, some just hide in the bushes and only move in the base throughout the game.
almost half of the team is always like that
Maybe it's time for WG to organize more Bot user scans like previous times.

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Regarding what you have said, WG do actually run checks for botting programs all the time. Chances are these players are indeed player's which are legitimate and are playing at their own ability. That being said if you wish to make a report to C/S regarding botting programs please do so. 


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Fluctuations #4 Posted 17 March 2023 - 02:55 PM

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I would argue that there is a huge amount of bot accounts playing on the server. Not saying WG aren't catching some. 

Fluctuations #5 Posted 17 March 2023 - 02:58 PM

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For example today on ANZ server. At least one of those 3 is 99% a bot account. The other two could be debated I guess.

 

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__Fury_o7o7o7 #6 Posted 17 March 2023 - 03:08 PM

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View PostFluctuations, on 17 March 2023 - 04:58 PM, said:

For example today on ANZ server. At least one of those 3 is 99% a bot account. The other two could be debated I guess.

 

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Again just by looking at the number of battles played.. I would 100% suggest that they are indeed NEW (noob) to the game. How ever you can also help WG out by raising a ticket to C/S regarding botting. Need to remember that some play this game for fun and only when they have a few minutes spare and will not be great at it (regardless of tier) but they just as anyone else are allowed to play the game. If you see botting and yes it is easy to see, then raise a ticket to C/S.

 


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Fluctuations #7 Posted 17 March 2023 - 03:10 PM

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I have done so. And I agree, botting is easy to see in most cases.

Fluctuations #8 Posted 17 March 2023 - 03:11 PM

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On the subject of reporting. How actually effective is it to use the in-game reporting (limited to 10 only per day). It always seems ineffective to use it.



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View PostFluctuations, on 17 March 2023 - 05:11 PM, said:

On the subject of reporting. How actually effective is it to use the in-game reporting (limited to 10 only per day). It always seems ineffective to use it.

 

These reports (in game) are seen by WG. Yes you only get 10 of them, imagine if everyone had more and were spamming them. 


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Fluctuations #10 Posted 18 March 2023 - 04:31 AM

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Yeah, fair enough. I guess if it was unlimited they'd become irrelevant with overuse.

 

Thanks for the feedback.



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Aoyama_Blue_Mountain #12 Posted 18 March 2023 - 04:15 PM

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When you see one bot, it is a reportable. When you see a lot of bots, it becomes a statistic.


The_Big_M #13 Posted 18 March 2023 - 11:02 PM

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View PostFluctuations, on 18 March 2023 - 06:31 AM, said:

Yeah, fair enough. I guess if it was unlimited they'd become irrelevant with overuse.

 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

The choices aren't solely 10, or unlimited.

 

And WG said when introduced they'd consider increasing it as well. Plus I think when originally introduced you only had 5 so was increased from that.

 

But the issue is if you only play a few games a day 10 is more than enough. But other days, and with many games, the numbers go higher. Basically the number doesn't scale with games played so isn't reasonable in that context. It's not as though 10 is the maximum theoretical limit of issues people can encounter in a full day. Reports should be correlated with games played, not an arbitrary low number.

 

As for reports, equally many people don't report at all. And not sure why the fact 10 have been reported means it's of no use or unmanageable to get another report of a legitimate issue.



Fluctuations #14 Posted 19 March 2023 - 05:53 AM

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View PostThe_Big_M, on 18 March 2023 - 11:02 PM, said:

 

The choices aren't solely 10, or unlimited.

 

And WG said when introduced they'd consider increasing it as well. Plus I think when originally introduced you only had 5 so was increased from that.

 

But the issue is if you only play a few games a day 10 is more than enough. But other days, and with many games, the numbers go higher. Basically the number doesn't scale with games played so isn't reasonable in that context. It's not as though 10 is the maximum theoretical limit of issues people can encounter in a full day. Reports should be correlated with games played, not an arbitrary low number.

 

As for reports, equally many people don't report at all. And not sure why the fact 10 have been reported means it's of no use or unmanageable to get another report of a legitimate issue.

 

I'm sorry, what's your actual point?



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View PostFluctuations, on 19 March 2023 - 07:53 AM, said:

 

I'm sorry, what's your actual point?

 

What I wrote.



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View PostFluctuations, on 17 March 2023 - 07:10 AM, said:

I have done so. And I agree, botting is easy to see in most cases.

With respect, and while I do agree that botting is a problem, the 3 examples you gave absolutely were not proven to be bots, so at this point I am not sure it is safe for you to say it is easy to see in most cases.

 

My issue is that WG relying on players to effectively police this for them through the reporting system is horribly inefficient. If you reported those 3 it would be waste of resources for WG to then investigate those reports. WG should be using data mining more for this stuff, they don't appear to do that anything like as much as they could.


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View PostCardinalMite, on 19 March 2023 - 10:37 AM, said:

With respect, and while I do agree that botting is a problem, the 3 examples you gave absolutely were not proven to be bots, so at this point I am not sure it is safe for you to say it is easy to see in most cases.

 

My issue is that WG relying on players to effectively police this for them through the reporting system is horribly inefficient. If you reported those 3 it would be waste of resources for WG to then investigate those reports. WG should be using data mining more for this stuff, they don't appear to do that anything like as much as they could.

 

 Two out of three debateable. The grille I would say is 99% surely a bot. Another strong point about this example I gave is that it was a player I reported the same day as posting it on this thread. It's not like I had to go searching for an example. Highlighting the fact that it is extremely common to have bots having a massive negative effect on battles.

 

I certainly agree with you on the point that there must be an easier, more effective way of controlling bot accounts. 

View PostFluctuations, on 17 March 2023 - 02:58 PM, said:

For example today on ANZ server. At least one of those 3 is 99% a bot account. The other two could be debated I guess.

 

 

 


Fluctuations #19 Posted 19 March 2023 - 02:17 PM

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Just to reinforce the main point that bots are a massive problem on this server. I reported these two enemy SPG from a battle a week ago, they shot at me simultaneously at the very start of battle and missed so I figured I'd check them out after the battle.

 

Screenshots sent to WG, only to receive a reply that they wanted the full replay. Which would show very little as they are on the enemy team. The after battle results and their complete history is surely enough? The accounts were even created on the same day?! 

 

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View PostFluctuations, on 19 March 2023 - 04:17 PM, said:

Just to reinforce the main point that bots are a massive problem on this server. I reported these two enemy SPG from a battle a week ago, they shot at me simultaneously at the very start of battle and missed so I figured I'd check them out after the battle.

 

Screenshots sent to WG, only to receive a reply that they wanted the full replay. Which would show very little as they are on the enemy team. The after battle results and their complete history is surely enough? The accounts were even created on the same day?! 

 

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The player history doesn't show how they're playing in a game. 

 

While you're right in that he replay probably won't help much, not having the replay helps even less. Seeing that arty has a 45% win rate (like your examples above), plus some other stats, doesn't tell you whether it's a bot or not.







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