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[TheBudgiesmuggler]

We being a few players have noticed that Wargaming gives one team either a advantage of +25% RNG or minus -25% hence the 3-15, 4-15 and 5-15 losses or wins depending which side you're on, after a short period of time it is quite noticeable. 

[Fluctuations]

Certainly notice some games that your gunner has had a big night previously and is clearly nursing a hangover. 

[mttspiii]

Fluctuations, on 20 May 2023 - 06:28 AM, said:

Certainly notice some games that your gunner has had a big night previously and is clearly nursing a hangover. 

 

Good thing driving doesn't have RNG. Would be awkward getting a DUI in the middle of the battle.

[Napalmer]

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[samibsal]

why my is 2s is hitting more shots than lowe...?

[CardinalMite]

samibsal, on 21 May 2023 - 04:43 AM, said:

why my is 2s is hitting more shots than lowe...?

Stats or it didn't happen.

 

  But also since Lowe is known to be more accurate, you will tend to take shots you would not even try in the IS2s, so you may well find you hit more because you get closer in IS2 or maneuver to get side rather than shoot cupola etc.

 

People always tend to remember the shots they missed unreasonably due to RNG rather than question the ones that hit unreasonably. 

 

Confirmation bias is a very easy trap to fall into.

[samibsal]

maybe it's me but i noticed my Stalin tanks(ussr tanks) high role more often than low rolling ...
so RNG(random number generator) should be RUSSIAN number generator

Edited by samibsal, 21 May 2023 - 01:07 PM.

[__Fury_______]

Napalmer, on 20 May 2023 - 01:37 PM, said:

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[AuntyJack]

CardinalMite, on 21 May 2023 - 12:49 PM, said:

Stats or it didn't happen.

 

  But also since Lowe is known to be more accurate, you will tend to take shots you would not even try in the IS2s, so you may well find you hit more because you get closer in IS2 or maneuver to get side rather than shoot cupola etc.

 

People always tend to remember the shots they missed unreasonably due to RNG rather than question the ones that hit unreasonably. 

 

Confirmation bias is a very easy trap to fall into.

So wargaming doesn't handicap a team by increasing or decreasing RNG?

 

[AuntyJack]

__Fury_o7o7o7, on 21 May 2023 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

do they deliver? not ordering unless free delivery.

Doesn't Napalmer comment qualify as off topic? 

[AuntyJack]

Napalmer, on 20 May 2023 - 11:37 AM, said:

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[CardinalMite]

AuntyJack, on 23 May 2023 - 01:19 PM, said:

So wargaming doesn't handicap a team by increasing or decreasing RNG?

 

Evidence or it didn't happen.

 

I don't think people quite get how much the various RNG values in the game can make a difference to individual action outcomes.+-25% on things like penetration, damage rolls are huge. This is why people have been campaigning for RNG % to be reduced.  Aiming RNG is a little different given it is using a centre weighted distribution but still roughly one third of the time a shot will go centre due to this mechanic (4 Tankers did a science video exploring this years ago).

 

Point is WG don't need to influence RNG values on a per match or per team basis for individuals to feel selectively gimped. But that is just it, your feels are not evidence.

 

There is no advantage to WG's revenue to do that and would just complicate the server side and client and cost them money. Not to mention the reputational loss and loss of players and revenue if it ever got out (which it would inevitably sooner or later).

 

If you truly believe they are doing that then why on earth are you playing the game? I wouldn't. 

Edited by CardinalMite, 24 May 2023 - 11:37 AM.

[The_Big_M]

CardinalMite, on 24 May 2023 - 10:00 AM, said:

Evidence or it didn't happen.

 

I don't think people quite get how much the various RNG values in the game can make a difference to individual action outcomes.+-25% on things like penetration, damage rolls are huge. This is why people have been campaigning for RNG % to be reduced.  Aiming RNG is a little different given it is using a centre weighted distribution but still roughly one third of the time a shot will go centre due to this mechanic (4 Tankers did a science video exploring this years ago).

 

Point is WG don't need to influence RNG values on a per match or per team basis for individuals to feel selectively gimped. But that is just it, your feels are not evidence.

 

There is no advantage to WG's revenue to do that and would just complicate the server side and client and cost them money. Not to mention the reputational loss and loss of players and revenue if it ever got out (which it would inevitably sooner or later).

 

If you truly believe they are doing that then why on earth are you playing the game? I wouldn't. 

 

Agreed. Why would it? There is no sense to do that, and more sense to what they already talked about which was put different players on different teams, which is part of what they do anyway.

 

Why handicap a generic team - which would have no benefits - when you can just directly manipulate the team? (Enabling you to alter outcomes for individual players, which has a value, rather than just at team level, which has no value being unrepeatable.) The player is the constant, not the team.

[TheBudgiesmuggler]

The_Big_M, on 24 May 2023 - 09:44 PM, said:

 

Agreed. Why would it? There is no sense to do that, and more sense to what they already talked about which was put different players on different teams, which is part of what they do anyway.

 

Why handicap a generic team - which would have no benefits - when you can just directly manipulate the team? (Enabling you to alter outcomes for individual players, which has a value, rather than just at team level, which has no value being unrepeatable.) The player is the constant, not the team.

So your now saying that everything Wargaming does makes absolute sense?

[The_Big_M]

TheBudgiesmuggler, on 28 May 2023 - 01:41 PM, said:

So your now saying that everything Wargaming does makes absolute sense?

Where did I say everything they do makes absolute sense?

 

That doesn't mean that nothing they do makes sense though.

[Holeinthehead]

Napalmer, on 20 May 2023 - 03:37 AM, said:

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_Fury

 

__Fury_o7o7o7, on 21 May 2023 - 07:50 AM, said:

 

do they deliver? not ordering unless free delivery.

 

Nothing like being consistent ......

 

There are days / games when you cannot hit the side of an oil tanker no matter what you do . How WG decide this is unknown . Those are the times you log off  and give it a rest .